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03/24/2014 03:30 PM Senate RESOURCES


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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
                             SENATE                                                                                           
                  RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                                
                         March 24, 2014                                                                                         
                           3:30 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Cathy Giessel, Chair                                                                                                    
Senator Fred Dyson, Vice Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Peter Micciche                                                                                                          
Senator Click Bishop                                                                                                            
Senator Anna Fairclough                                                                                                         
Senator Hollis French                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lesil McGuire                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Mike Dunleavy                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Upper Cook Inlet Salmon Dialogue                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
RICK KOCH, City Manager                                                                                                         
City of Kenai, Alaska                                                                                                           
POSITION STATEMENT: Related issues the City of Kenai deals with                                                               
during its personal use fishery.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
BRIAN GABRIEL, member                                                                                                           
Kenai City Council                                                                                                              
Kenai, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Present to answer questions of City of Kenai                                                              
fish issues.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRUCE KNOWLES, Chairman                                                                                                         
Matanuska-Susitna Borough Fish and Wildlife Commission                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT:  Gave a presentation  on Northern  Cook Inlet                                                             
fisheries.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ANDY SZCZESNY, member                                                                                                           
Kenai River Professional Guides Association                                                                                     
Soldotna, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION  STATEMENT: Commented  on the  economic impact  of sport                                                             
fishing on the Kenai Peninsula.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
DWIGHT KRAMER, Chairman                                                                                                         
Kenai Area Fishermen's Coalition                                                                                                
Kenai, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION  STATEMENT: Commented  on Upper  Cook Inlet  king salmon                                                             
stock issues.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ROD ARNO, Executive Director                                                                                                    
Alaska Outdoor Council (AOC)                                                                                                    
Palmer, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Commented  on  Upper  Cook   Inlet  salmon                                                             
management issues.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MEGAN SMITH, member                                                                                                             
Kenai Peninsula Fishermen's Association (KPFA)                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT: Discussed  setnetting issues  in Upper  Cook                                                             
Inlet.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
AMBER EVERY, member                                                                                                             
Kenai Peninsula Fishermen's Association                                                                                         
POSITION  STATEMENT: Discussed  setnetting issues  in Upper  Cook                                                             
Inlet.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
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3:30:22 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  CATHY   GIESSEL  called  the  Senate   Resources  Standing                                                             
Committee meeting  to order at 3:30  p.m. Present at the  call to                                                               
order  were Senators  Micciche,  Bishop,  Dyson, Fairclough,  and                                                               
Chair Giessel.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
^Upper Cook Inlet Salmon Dialogue                                                                                               
                Upper Cook Inlet Salmon Dialogue                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:31:01 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL said the committee would  take up its only order of                                                               
business  today,  the "Upper  Cook  Inlet  Salmon Dialogue."  Her                                                               
intention was informational only.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:31:49 PM                                                                                                                    
RICK  KOCH,  City  Manager, City  of  Kenai,  Alaska,  introduced                                                               
himself and  said he hoped  the City of  Kenai would always  be a                                                               
"fishing town"  as it is now.  They are proud of  the responsible                                                               
stewardship that  generations of  Kenai Peninsula  residents have                                                               
undertaken as a solemn trust.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
BRIAN  GABRIEL,  member,  Kenai   City  Council,  Kenai,  Alaska,                                                               
introduced himself.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KOCH said  that subsistence,  commercially-guided sportfish,                                                               
sportfish,   commercial   shore   (setnet),   commercially-guided                                                               
personal  use, and  personal  use fisheries  all  occur on  lands                                                               
within the  corporate boundary  of the City  of Kenai  and almost                                                               
exclusively on or over lands owned  by the City. The City is also                                                               
homeport to  many commercial drift operators  and fish processing                                                               
facilities.  As  defined  in  Section  104.297  of  the  Magnuson                                                               
Stevens  Fishery Conservation  and  Management Act,  the City  of                                                               
Kenai is a fishing community, and  at least under federal law, is                                                               
mandated to  have a  seat at the  table when  decisions affecting                                                               
the community are contemplated.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
He said  he was invited  to speak today  and wanted to  show them                                                               
some pictures and  tell a few stories, and leave  them with a few                                                               
fisheries issues that the City of Kenai faces.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
The first slide was a picture  of a typical day during a personal                                                               
use fishery  at the  mouth of  the Kenai  River. Last  year there                                                               
were  15,000 people  on the  north  and south  shores during  the                                                               
busiest day  of the fishery.  Through the course of  the fishery,                                                               
they   probably   see   40,000   to   50,000   different   people                                                               
participating there, and the photo  didn't show the 400-600 boats                                                               
that are also participating.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
He said the  number of permits issued for the  Kenai salmon, both                                                               
Kasilof and  Kenai Rivers, has  increased at a steady  rate since                                                               
1996.  It's important  to  recognize that  each  permit does  not                                                               
represent  a   single  individual,   but  instead   represents  a                                                               
household. ADF&G  has provided data  that shows that  each permit                                                               
represents  3.2  individuals.  For  2013,  the  total  number  of                                                               
permits issued was 35,211 or 112,675 Alaskans.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
The harvest  of Kenai  River sockeye  salmon during  the personal                                                               
use  fishery has  increased (comparing  the  average harvest  for                                                               
four years beginning in 2000)  from 163,159 fish to 491,173 fish,                                                               
an increase of over 300 percent in 10 years.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:34:38 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FRENCH joined the committee.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:35:50 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. KOCH said fish  waste on their beaches used to  be one of the                                                               
more dramatic problems  the city was forced to deal  with. It was                                                               
unsightly, unhealthy, and attracted  other wildlife; fecal matter                                                               
from seagulls  contributed to elevated bacteria  counts which far                                                               
exceeded the  EPA water-quality standards  in the near  shores of                                                               
the Kenai River.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
During the  2013 personal  use fishery, the  City of  Kenai spent                                                               
approximately  $430,000 to  manage  fish waste,  solid waste,  to                                                               
provide  and service  permanent and  portable toilets,  and other                                                               
services solely dedicated to respond  to the personal use fishery                                                               
that takes place on the  city's lands. They collected roughly the                                                               
same income  from user fees; it  does not make a  profit from the                                                               
fishery. They  estimate that  user fees  are collected  from only                                                               
about 30-40  percent of the  participants who benefit  from those                                                               
city services.  They are  only able to  collect from  parking and                                                               
camping; they cannot charge for access to the beach.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
He said  the more  effective management plan  for fish  waste has                                                               
resulted  in a  marked  decrease in  seagulls  and other  animals                                                               
feeding  on  it   on  the  beach  and  that   the  Department  of                                                               
Environmental Conservation  (DEC) continues  to study  the levels                                                               
of bacteria present  in the waters of the Kenai  River during the                                                               
personal use fishery.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:37:05 PM                                                                                                                    
A beach raking  operation coupled with the  2013 requirement that                                                               
all  fish waste  must be  deposited in  the waters  of the  Kenai                                                               
River of  Cook Inlet has  significantly reduced the  problem with                                                               
fish  waste on  the beaches.  Tides redeposit  fish waste  at the                                                               
high  tide  line, but  in  amounts  that  are manageable  with  a                                                               
tractor raking operation. In 2013, the  cost to the city for just                                                               
the  raking  was  over  $20,000 for  the  three-week  period.  In                                                               
summary,  he said,  fish waste  management has  ultimately turned                                                               
out to be one of their successes.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:38:09 PM                                                                                                                    
They  don't  have  their  arms  around the  issues  of  loss  and                                                               
protection of habitat. He said the  City of Kenai is the majority                                                               
land owner in  and around the mouth of the  Kenai River, up river                                                               
to mile 4.5. They have installed  over 3 miles of barrier fencing                                                               
to protect  dune areas, but it's  far from enough. The  damage to                                                               
and loss  of near-river habitat as  a result of the  personal use                                                               
fishery  is ongoing.  It is  increasing in  severity and  this is                                                               
unacceptable.  The  City  requests  that the  ADF&G  undertake  a                                                               
habitat  assessment at  the mouth  of  the Kenai  River and  work                                                               
cooperatively with them to develop solutions for this problem.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Given the monumental  increase in participation over  the last 10                                                               
years, it's not surprising that  fishery participants are seeking                                                               
less crowded  areas near  the mouth  of the  Kenai River  to fish                                                               
from, but unfortunately all the  lands upriver from the mouth are                                                               
environmentally sensitive.  They are mostly wetlands  and support                                                               
nesting  birds,  grasses,  and plants  utilized  for  subsistence                                                               
harvest  by   Alaskan  Natives  and  other   fragile  ecosystems.                                                               
Riparian habitat important to rearing  salmon areas is also being                                                               
destroyed by  foot traffic along  the river banks.  Everything is                                                               
open  to  dipnetting  for  the   personal  use  fishery  and  the                                                               
resulting damages are at times very severe.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KOCH said  a situation  that has  become much  more critical                                                               
over the course of the last  several months is the existing south                                                               
shore access along  Dune Road and Old Cannery  Road. Both require                                                               
fishery participants  to travel  north along  the beach  to reach                                                               
the  mouth of  the  Kenai  River. In  doing  so, vehicles  travel                                                               
through eight  privately owned  properties. Ownership  extends to                                                               
mean  high water  or  an  elevation of  19.1  feet. The  property                                                               
owners have  stated that they  will block traffic  from traveling                                                               
over  their private  property this  year.  The City  of Kenai  is                                                               
facilitating discussions  between them  and the ADF&G  to attempt                                                               
to develop interim and permanent solutions.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
New access is  being proposed by the City that  will decrease the                                                               
travel  distance  on the  beach  by  up  to one-half  mile.  This                                                               
realignment  will eliminate  the conflict  with private  property                                                               
owners where  the alleged  trespass occurs  and it  will minimize                                                               
conflicts  with high  tide as  it relates  to access  only during                                                               
mean high  water along private properties.  Providing this access                                                               
is estimated to cost $2.1 million.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
If access is  prohibited across the private  properties, the City                                                               
during this year's personal use  fishery may limit access periods                                                               
to  the south  beach when  tides are  at 16.1  feet or  lower. He                                                               
explained that  on many  days only three  tides would  not impact                                                               
access. On some days there are  12 hours that access would not be                                                               
possible on  the beach and  given the thousands of  vehicles that                                                               
are  there, it  would be  a tremendous  conflict. Hopefully,  the                                                               
Alaska Legislature  will consider funding for  alternative access                                                               
and  the private  property owners  may then  allow access  across                                                               
their beach properties during the 2014 season.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:44:22 PM                                                                                                                    
He said the  City's resources to respond to  the state's personal                                                               
use  fishery  at the  mouth  of  the  Kenai River  are  extremely                                                               
tapped. They are  at the breaking point of being  able to respond                                                               
for simple things like hauling  garbage off and raking fish waste                                                               
down the  beach. Trespass in the  environmentally sensitive areas                                                               
on private property is becoming more  the norm rather than a rare                                                               
circumstance.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
As  a   solution  they   would  request   that  the   ADF&G  work                                                               
cooperatively  with  the  City   in  planning  a  decision-making                                                               
process regarding  the personal use  fishery. For the  last three                                                               
years, the  City has  requested the ADF&G  not open  the personal                                                               
use  fishery to  a  24 hr/day  opening. The  only  time they  can                                                               
safely provide  maintenance activities on  that beach is  from 11                                                               
p.m. to 6  a.m. when it's normally closed.  When the commissioner                                                               
opens it  up by emergency order  they can't get out  on the beach                                                               
to clean  fish waste,  pick up garbage,  or service  the portable                                                               
toilets.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KOCH  said  they  would  like  the  Board  of  Fisheries  to                                                               
recognize,  as the  federal government  would under  the Magnuson                                                               
Stevens Act, the  City's rights as a property owner  in a fishing                                                               
community. They submitted  a proposal this year  to eliminate the                                                               
possibility  of 24-hour  openings, but  the Board  told the  City                                                               
that they  just need to  learn how to  manage crowds, not  a very                                                               
cooperative stance.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:46:32 PM                                                                                                                    
In April  2013, it  was necessary  for the  City to  submit their                                                               
proposals almost a full year  ahead of the Board's meeting. After                                                               
that  time,  the  ADF&G  went  through  each  proposal  and  made                                                               
findings which  were published. At  the beginning of  the meeting                                                               
the ADF&G did  nothing but give staff reports for  the first day.                                                               
They  made  two recommendations  of  what  should happen  in  the                                                               
Management  Plan: the  first was  to eliminate  the present  Lake                                                               
Management Plan, because they didn't  have the funding to be able                                                               
to go  over it,  and the  second was  to raise  by only  a couple                                                               
hundred  fish the  lower escapement  goal for  Jim Creek  off the                                                               
Knik River.  Aside from that, the  ADF&G felt they had  the tools                                                               
to be able to effectively  manage the Upper Cook Inlet fisheries.                                                               
The  public  had an  opportunity  then  for  three days  to  make                                                               
comments  at the  meeting,  then the  deliberations  went to  the                                                               
Board of Fisheries.  The process  up to that point was very open;                                                               
every proposal and recommendation could  be followed, but when it                                                               
got  into  the  Board's  hands things  changed.  Several  of  the                                                               
proposals  were   amended  and  essentially  became   new  Board-                                                               
generated proposals  that the  public and the  ADF&G never  had a                                                               
chance  to  comment on.  They  weren't  judged by  scientists  or                                                               
biologists. In the  course of 10-20 minutes,  brand new proposals                                                               
were created and approved by the Board of Fisheries.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. KOCH said  even if he agreed that each  of those actions came                                                               
to a positive  result, he was still offended by  that process. He                                                               
thought that  all Alaskans  should be offended  by it  when eight                                                               
months of process went before the  meeting and then in the course                                                               
of minutes brand new management  decisions that have far-reaching                                                               
effects are brought up.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:49:20 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  FRENCH,   on  behalf  of   the  dipnet   fishermen  from                                                               
Anchorage, thanked  him for a well-run,  friendly operation. It's                                                               
a positive experience for him as a casual fisherman.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. KOCH said he hoped that  experience only gets better in being                                                               
able to  find a  way to work  with the state  to resolve  some of                                                               
their issues.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:50:06 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE  said he is  proud of  the way crowds  have been                                                               
handled  in  the  past,  yet  as they  are  increasing  Mr.  Koch                                                               
explained how  the population tripled  on weekends. He  asked how                                                               
the legislature can help with other than the access issues.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. KOCH responded  that certainly access issues on  the south is                                                               
most  critical, but  the  north, as  well.  Because this  fishery                                                               
takes  place only  for three  weeks a  year and  their population                                                               
more than  tripled, at  times it's very  difficult to  create the                                                               
infrastructure  to  support it  based  on  revenues that  can  be                                                               
derived in only three weeks. For  instance, if they were going to                                                               
build a 250-500 place campground,  it's very difficult to justify                                                               
the capital cost for the three  weeks they could get revenue from                                                               
it. Personal  use permit  fees were  a possibility  for providing                                                               
some  of  those  capital  improvements  that  would  enhance  the                                                               
experience at the mouth of the river.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:52:02 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE  asked if ADF&G  could publish a  brochure about                                                               
how to access the fishing grounds and handle fish.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. KOCH said they  do some of that on line now,  but it could be                                                               
expanded;  some people  in environmentally  sensitive areas  just                                                               
don't know it.  Information could come in  with returned permits,                                                               
for instance.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DYSON  said he  hears that people  who are  not residents                                                               
set  up industrial  scale harvesting,  but he  wanted to  know if                                                               
that was true.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. KOCH replied yes; they  see very efficient operations, but he                                                               
didn't know if they were Alaskans or not.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:54:15 PM                                                                                                                    
BRUCE  KNOWLES,  Chairman,  Matanuska-Susitna  Borough  Fish  and                                                               
Wildlife Commission,  gave a presentation on  Northern Cook Inlet                                                               
fisheries. He said he had lived  in the Valley since 1982. He had                                                               
had a guide  service for a few  years in the winter and  is now a                                                               
sport fisherman.  He got  involved in salmon  issues in  the late                                                               
90s and has been involved ever since.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
He  said the  Commission was  established in  2007 and  was first                                                               
named  the Blue  Ribbon Fisheries  Committee. Its  purpose is  to                                                               
represent  the Borough  in conservation  and allocation  of fish,                                                               
wildlife,  and habitat.  He said  Upper Cook  Inlet (UCI)  salmon                                                               
fisheries are essential to the  character of life and the economy                                                               
of the  Mat-Su Borough (MSB). There  is a compact amount  of time                                                               
during which  the fish swim  through. It's something that  can be                                                               
readily taken care  of because of the complexity  and the changes                                                               
year by  year. Two-thirds  of Alaska  residents reside  along the                                                               
Upper Cook Inlet road system;  approximately 250,000 people sport                                                               
fish  annually;   160,000  are   salmon  fishermen   and  300,000                                                               
households  fish for  personal  use. One  out  of three  Alaskans                                                               
sport fish, the highest rate of fishing in the nation.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
The  economic significance  of sport  fishing  has only  recently                                                               
been  recognized.  Statewide, $1.4  billion  was  spent by  sport                                                               
fishers in  2007 and half of  the sport fishing in  Alaska occurs                                                               
in Cook Inlet. Anglers spent $733  million in 2007 to fish there,                                                               
which supported  8,056 jobs  and generated  $55 million  in state                                                               
and local  taxes. Anglers  fished nearly  300,000 angler  days in                                                               
2007 and spent  $118 million and generated $31-64  million to the                                                               
local  economy.  Wholesale  fishing   in  2007  amounted  to  $77                                                               
million.  Mr.  Knowles said  he  was  trying to  illustrate  that                                                               
Alaskans depend very heavily on these resources for their food.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:58:05 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  KNOWLES  said  issues  affecting  salmon  abundance  in  the                                                               
Northern Cook  Inlet are  fresh water  invasive species,  loss of                                                               
wetlands,  fish  barriers,  and the  high  seas  by-catch,  which                                                               
nobody has any control over,  and federal and fisheries policies.                                                               
In  Cook Inlet  there  are research  gaps  in commercial  harvest                                                               
data.  Low   salmon  abundance  in   Upper  Cook   Inlet  affects                                                               
management  of  the   Central  District.  There  is   a  lack  of                                                               
scientific data on when the fish  are moving through, but that is                                                               
being fixed.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
He said  the Borough has  been "dinged" for culvert  problems and                                                               
that has resulted in replacing  and repairing 86 old culverts. He                                                               
noted  in  areas  that  have  stocks of  concern  have  very  few                                                               
culverts, because they are in roadless areas.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:00:24 PM                                                                                                                    
Pike suppression has  come along very well in  the Lower Susitna;                                                               
on  Alexander Creek,  over 12,000  pike have  been killed  by the                                                               
state and studies show juvenile  salmon recolonizing it. Culverts                                                               
are  adversely  affecting  salmon,   because  of  growth  in  the                                                               
borough; they all fall in a core area around Palmer and Wasilla.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Solutions  for low  salmon abundance  involve revising  the Upper                                                               
Cook Inlet management  plans to ensure sustained  yield for Upper                                                               
Cook  Inlet for  both  Northern and  Central  District salmon.  A                                                               
major improvement by  the Board of Fisheries  was establishing an                                                               
area  for the  fish to  move through  the central  district drift                                                               
area without overharvesting.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:02:06 PM                                                                                                                    
He explained that  there are discreet stock zones  in Bristol Bay                                                               
and there  is a core area  where boats can't fish,  but a fishing                                                               
area at  the throats of  all the  different rivers. The  Board of                                                               
Fisheries  should  maintain  and  refine  the  Upper  Cook  Inlet                                                               
conservation  corridor,  which  would require  studies  that  the                                                               
legislature can help the department fund.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:03:22 PM                                                                                                                    
He said that  genetics and allocation acoustic  studies were done                                                               
in the last  couple of years, which will improve  and enhance the                                                               
department's management by identifying  the main mixing areas for                                                               
the different salmon                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KNOWLES said  the cause  of low  abundance in  Northern Cook                                                               
Inlet was that northern district  salmon were not getting through                                                               
commercial fishing  gauntlets in sufficient numbers.  ADF&G lacks                                                               
in-season  management  tools  and  there is  a  lack  of  genetic                                                               
identification of salmon species  other than sockeyes there. This                                                               
is something  they have  been trying  to get  in. The  first main                                                               
fisheries studies that were done  in the late 1900s happened when                                                               
the  legislature   funded  studies   on  the   Northern  District                                                               
sockeyes.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Upper Cook  Inlet Solutions: Revise  Upper Cook  Inlet Management                                                               
Plan, which  they have done.  Discreet harvest zones,  which will                                                               
be  tested for  the first  time this  year, should  show positive                                                               
results with  more fish getting  back to the  Northern Districts.                                                               
Maintain Upper  Cook Inlet conservation corridor,  which is going                                                               
to be  a key. Genetics  and acoustics  all need to  be maintained                                                               
for the next few years.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
The Board came up with  the conservation corridor, harvest zones,                                                               
and expanded  harvest zones to  try and  move fish up  the Inlet.                                                               
The majority of  stocks of concerns are in  the Northern District                                                               
for  coho and  sockeyes.  The Lower  Susitna  coho nearly  missed                                                               
being a stock of concern.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:06:35 PM                                                                                                                    
One of  the things they have  been working on with  the ADF&G and                                                               
the Borough  is for  the legislature  to authorize  an additional                                                               
test fishery  above Kalgan  Island to monitor  fish as  they move                                                               
through the  Central District. They  have already found  out that                                                               
that in  areas 6 and 7  the test stations are  not finding enough                                                               
fish to  warrant doing  the studies there  and have  talked about                                                               
moving the  test fishery  line down  to the  lower end  of Kalgan                                                               
Island, which is in the main  mixing zones they have tried to get                                                               
data on. So, they support moving it.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Capital funding  going to the  MSB of  $4-5 million for  FY 2014:                                                               
science and  research: they have  asked for a contract  person to                                                               
work with them  to develop gap analysis, find areas  that need to                                                               
be  improved, and  to help  determine what  needs to  be done  to                                                               
better use this  fisheries research money. They hope  to have him                                                               
on board sometime  in mid-May. They continue to  work on resource                                                               
access for  12.2 miles  of habitat funded  by grants  and borough                                                               
funds.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:08:30 PM                                                                                                                    
Next steps for the Fish and Wildlife Commission:                                                                                
-$2.5 million  from the legislature  funding FY2015  research and                                                               
habitat projects                                                                                                                
-MSB fish  research: conduct  studies in  UCI fisheries  and data                                                               
gap analysis                                                                                                                    
-Advocate for improved UCI management  for all users to the Board                                                               
of Fisheries                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. KNOWLES said  one of the main things they  have heard is that                                                               
people  are  moving to  the  Kenai  to  do their  sport  fishing,                                                               
because  the MSB  doesn't have  enough  fish for  a personal  use                                                               
fishery.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:09:27 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL said  warming waters in the Matsu  was presented to                                                               
her as a factor affecting spawning and survival.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KNOWLES  said he  hadn't  heard  that  or heard  of  warming                                                               
studies.  He had  heard about  water  warming on  the high  seas,                                                               
which is causing problems.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  GIESSEL  said  she  had  seen  a  report  that  the  ADF&G                                                               
commissioner had, but it might not be widely distributed yet.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. KNOWLES asked if was just  in the Northern District or all of                                                               
Cook Inlet.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GIESSEL answered that this  particular study dealt with the                                                               
Northern Matsu area.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. KNOWLES said he wanted to get a copy of it.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE  said healthy  returns of  fish to  the Northern                                                               
Cook  Inlet is  one  of his  top  priorities, because  inadequate                                                               
returns compromises  the sport  and commercial  fisheries further                                                               
south. He was glad Mr. Knowles  had talked about some of the pike                                                               
problems and oceanic atmospheric affects they can't control.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
He hoped they  could work together more in the  future as this is                                                               
not   only  a   Cook  Inlet   problem.  When   they  talk   about                                                               
interception,  he  urged that  they  not  always focus  on  their                                                               
nearest neighbors;  there are  many fisheries  in Cook  Inlet and                                                               
the ocean also affects returns.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Primarily Senator Micciche said he  wanted to note that there are                                                               
500 drifters and  at least that many setnetters  sitting in front                                                               
of two  rivers that literally are  a gauntlet in a  10 mile area.                                                               
Those are healthy river systems  that continue to return millions                                                               
of fish  year after year.  He hoped  they could work  together in                                                               
identifying  the  issues  system-wide  instead  of  focusing  too                                                               
locally on the solutions.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. KNOWLES said  he agreed completely and that  he has requested                                                               
the  department and  the  board  to do  that.  He  said they  had                                                               
started increasing  the returns  to the Kenai  in the  late 1990s                                                               
and that the  return had gone from 250,000 to  over 1 million. He                                                               
had asked  them to  over-escape their  area for  10 years  to see                                                               
what  could be  done to  provide additional  fish in  the Central                                                               
District.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:13:21 PM                                                                                                                    
ANDY   SZCZESNY,   member,   Kenai  River   Professional   Guides                                                               
Association,  Soldotna, Alaska,  said  he had  been a  registered                                                               
Kenai River guide for 28 years. He  is also a member of the Kenai                                                               
River Special Managed  Area Advisory Board. He had  held a number                                                               
of different positions in the  City of Soldotna and was appointed                                                               
to  the Board  of Fisheries  in 2002;  he had  also held  several                                                               
positions   on  advisory   committees  involving   fisheries  and                                                               
guiding.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
He said the ADF&G study  of economic impacts and contributions of                                                               
guided anglers on the Kenai  River shows they are responsible for                                                               
$40  million in  direct  expenditures annually  and their  annual                                                               
fees account for about $400,000  to the State of Alaska annually.                                                               
This number does  not include additional boat  launch and parking                                                               
fees, which would  probably bring it closer to  $500,000. He said                                                               
71 percent  of the  Kenai River sport  fishing guides  are Alaska                                                               
residents; 285  of them registered in  2013, a loss of  111 since                                                               
2007,  which was  the  peak year  (with  396 registered  guides).                                                               
Forty-percent of them have 10-plus years of experience.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. SZCZESNY said  the Kenai River guided  angler effort accounts                                                               
for 51,430 fish  (14 percent of the total  effort) annually, down                                                               
from  its historic  average by  67  percent. The  early run  king                                                               
salmon guided angler effort is  down from its historic average by                                                               
83  percent; the  late run  guided angler  king salmon  effort is                                                               
down by 70 percent.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
He said  the Kenai River guides  are the most regulated  group of                                                               
sport fishing guides in the state  and are governed by a total of                                                               
six separate  state and  federal agencies.  They are  required to                                                               
pass  a  three-credit  college  course, which  is  five  days  of                                                               
classes. The Board  of Fisheries has adopted  policies that limit                                                               
both days  of the  week and  hours of the  day they  can operate,                                                               
which  has resulted  in limited  opportunities for  both resident                                                               
and non-resident  guided anglers  to access  the Kenai  River. No                                                               
fishing from a guided vessel  on Sundays and Mondays through May,                                                               
June, and July; no fishing from a  guided vessel from 6 p.m. to 6                                                               
a.m.  May, June,  and  July; no  fishing for  coho  from a  guide                                                               
vessel  from the  Moose River  confluence on  Mondays in  August,                                                               
September, and October.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
The  Kenai River  sport  fishing guides  pay  the highest  annual                                                               
licensing fees in the State of  Alaska, he said. A resident Kenai                                                               
River  guide spends  $1,075 annually  for  a license  and a  non-                                                               
resident  spends $2,075.  An annual  sport fishing  guide license                                                               
for the remainder  of the state is $150, and  that allows guiding                                                               
on every drainage except the Kenai River.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:18:12 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE  said it  was good  to hear  his voice  and that                                                               
it's  imperative  to  understand   that  every  aspect  of  these                                                               
fisheries  is important  to the  economy and  that none  of these                                                               
user groups can go away.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SZCZESNY said  the May  and  June King  salmon closure  will                                                               
affect the numbers and that  the sport fishery had fallen rapidly                                                               
in the last five or six years.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:19:20 PM                                                                                                                    
DWIGHT  KRAMER,  Chairman,   Kenai  Area  Fishermen's  Coalition,                                                               
Kenai, Alaska, read his comments:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     The  Kenai  Area  Fisherman's Coalition  is  a  private                                                                    
     angler  group that  was  formed in  2007  to provide  a                                                                    
     voice for  private anglers and promote  conservation of                                                                    
     our resources for future generations  to enjoy. We have                                                                    
     10 past  state and federal fisheries  biologists on our                                                                    
     Board of Directors or in our membership.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     We advocate for  science-based fisheries management and                                                                    
     sustained resource stability  by providing direct input                                                                    
     to agencies regarding  fisheries management and habitat                                                                    
     issues. We have no commercial interests.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:20:29 PM                                                                                                                    
     First, I  would like  to address  the Upper  Cook Inlet                                                                    
     (UCI) king salmon stocks  devastated by overfishing and                                                                    
     a poorly regulated commercial  sector. During the early                                                                    
     part of the  1900s the UCI king  stocks were devastated                                                                    
     by  over-fishing  in   a  poorly  regulated  commercial                                                                    
     sector. It  took about 20  years or so for  recovery of                                                                    
     these stocks so they  could produce harvestable numbers                                                                    
     once again.  During this recovery  there were  years of                                                                    
     commercial closures  and the sport fishery,  as we know                                                                    
     it, had  not developed yet. The  fish enjoyed virtually                                                                    
     natural river  systems to reproduce and  recover. There                                                                    
     was  little development  and hardly  any sport  fishing                                                                    
     effort and no pike.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Now we  find ourselves  in another  period of  low king                                                                    
     salmon  abundance  partly  because of  ocean  phenomena                                                                    
     that we  don't fully  understand and partly  because of                                                                    
     human effects.  We now have  trawlers operating  in the                                                                    
     high  seas that  take countless  thousands of  Kings as                                                                    
     by-catch,  vast  developments  and roadways  along  and                                                                    
     crossing  our streams,  hydrocarbon contamination  from                                                                    
     boat engines,  bank erosion  and turbidity  issues from                                                                    
     boat  wakes, invasive  species (pike)  in  many of  our                                                                    
     lakes and  waterways and, of  course, a  growing public                                                                    
     demand for fishing opportunities.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:21:45 PM                                                                                                                    
     One of  the causes  of this recent  collapse has  to be                                                                    
     shouldered by  a mismanaged  in-river sport  and guided                                                                    
     sport fishery.  Never before in  their history  had our                                                                    
     king  salmon  been  fished  for  size  selectivity  and                                                                    
     pursued   on   their   spawning  grounds   for   trophy                                                                    
     selection.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Recent   research   information   now   suggests   that                                                                    
     targeting  the  largest  kings may  have  some  lasting                                                                    
     effects  on the  characteristics  of  the stocks.  Size                                                                    
     selectivity over  time can cause future  returning fish                                                                    
     to be  smaller and fewer  in numbers and  produce fewer                                                                    
     females than in more productive times.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Please  Note:  These  are  all  symptoms  that  we  are                                                                    
     currently  seeing  in our  Kenai  and  UCI stocks.  The                                                                    
     point being  is that we  should expect any  recovery of                                                                    
     these  stocks to  take much  longer than  at any  other                                                                    
     time in history because of  the new human effects and a                                                                    
     growing  demand to  want to  fish  on them  as soon  as                                                                    
     there  are any  harvestable amounts  to satisfy  socio-                                                                    
     economic interests. We have to  stop taking our biggest                                                                    
     and best  breeders out  of our systems  and we  have to                                                                    
     have  more spawning  protections  on some  of our  most                                                                    
     productive spawning and staging areas.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     We  can  start  by  protecting our  largest  fish  with                                                                    
     meaningful   season-long   slot   limits   individually                                                                    
     appropriate for  all of  our rivers.  Taxidermists have                                                                    
     molds  for all  sizes and  shapes of  Kings so  it's no                                                                    
     longer necessary  to kill a  large King to get  a mount                                                                    
     made.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     In the  case of  our current  king salmon  situation we                                                                    
     have to remember that scientists  tell us, "When salmon                                                                    
     runs  are  at  risk,   conservation  must  be  given  a                                                                    
     priority."                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:23:32 PM                                                                                                                    
Habitat Issues                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                              
     Healthy  salmon  stocks rely  on  good  habitat in  our                                                                    
     rivers,  streams  and  lakes. We  currently  have  many                                                                    
     habitat  issues that  stand in  our  way of  rebuilding                                                                    
     declining stocks and  maintaining healthy ones. Because                                                                    
     of  socio-economic  issues   related  to  the  powerful                                                                    
     guided   sport    fish   lobby   and    tourism,   both                                                                    
     municipalities  and  state  agencies are  reluctant  to                                                                    
     support necessary listings of  impaired water bodies as                                                                    
     identified by the Clean Water  Act and the more obvious                                                                    
     crippling  impacts   of  invasive  species   (pike)  on                                                                    
     juvenile salmon production.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     In  the Matsu  for instance,  10  years ago  we had  11                                                                    
     sockeye producing  lakes in the Susitna  drainage. Then                                                                    
     a few years  ago we were down to seven,  and now we are                                                                    
     down to four,  and two of the four have  failed to meet                                                                    
     their  escapement levels  in the  last two  years. Pike                                                                    
     and stream  blockage by  beaver dams  are the  main two                                                                    
     reasons. We  have hydrocarbon and  turbidity violations                                                                    
     associated  with powerboat  use in  the Little  Susitna                                                                    
     that is worse than the  Kenai ever was, but no Category                                                                    
     5 impaired water-body  listing to date. In  Big lake we                                                                    
     have  quit   trying  to  enhance   sockeye  production,                                                                    
     because  the  juvenile  survival rates  were  so  poor,                                                                    
     because   of   pollution    factors   associated   with                                                                    
     hydrocarbon   exceedances    and   chemical   pollution                                                                    
     associated   with   runoff   of  lawn   care   products                                                                    
     (fertilizer, weed killers, etc.) and sewage issues.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     In the  Kenai we have different  issues associated with                                                                    
     increased use and  a shift in use patterns  that is not                                                                    
     being  addressed. One  would  think  that with  reduced                                                                    
     king  salmon  fishing  opportunities  things  would  be                                                                    
     better, but that  is not the case. We have  seen a huge                                                                    
     increase  in  July  powerboat traffic  associated  with                                                                    
     personal use  fishermen launching upriver to  avoid the                                                                    
     congestion of the lower river  launches and parking. In                                                                    
     2013,  for   instance,  the   days  that   we  exceeded                                                                    
     turbidity standards  on the lower river  coincided with                                                                    
     the  busiest days  in the  personal  use (PU)  fishery.                                                                    
     This should  be a growing  concern to the  resource for                                                                    
     both bank erosion and juvenile salmon survival.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:25:38 PM                                                                                                                    
     Another issue  of concern  is the  rapid growth  in the                                                                    
     in-river   sockeye  sport   fishery.  Both   the  guide                                                                    
     industry  and private  sector have  transferred efforts                                                                    
     away  from  the king  fishery  to  the more  productive                                                                    
     sockeye  fishery. This  doesn't  come without  problems                                                                    
     though, as  this is mostly a  bank-oriented fishery and                                                                    
     we are witnessing new areas  of bank degradation in the                                                                    
     riparian areas associated  with riverbank crowding. The                                                                    
     sad  part  is that  nobody  from  the various  agencies                                                                    
     currently have available staff  to assess these damages                                                                    
     and  make appropriate  bank closures.  This is  an area                                                                    
     where recent  budget cuts and personnel  vacancies have                                                                    
     reduced our  effectiveness in habitat  protection where                                                                    
     our vigilance now should be more rather than less.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     So  overall,  if we  don't  want  to  end up  like  the                                                                    
     Pacific  Northwest  and  have   to  spend  billions  of                                                                    
     dollars   on  reclamation   projects,  hatcheries   and                                                                    
     enhancement to  rebuild the salmon stocks  we failed to                                                                    
     protect, we  need to  acknowledge our  habitat problems                                                                    
     and  deal with  them  now rather  than later.  Everyone                                                                    
     should want  clean water and healthy  habitat. To stand                                                                    
     in  the way  of this  endeavor is  not prudent  of good                                                                    
     fishery  management  and  should not  be  tolerated  by                                                                    
     anyone associated with legislative oversight.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:26:52 PM                                                                                                                    
Board of Fisheries                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Given  the  complexities  of   our  fisheries  and  the                                                                    
     current  allocation issues  related to  declining stock                                                                    
     issues  throughout  most  of   Alaska,  it  has  become                                                                    
     apparent to many that our  current BOF process does not                                                                    
     possess the technical  knowledge and sometimes internal                                                                    
     integrity to accomplish decisions  based on science and                                                                    
     available technical data.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     The  recent  Upper  Cook  Inlet  meeting  was  a  prime                                                                    
     example.  A majority  of the  board had  a preconceived                                                                    
     agenda on  how they  were going to  deal with  the king                                                                    
     salmon  declines   throughout  Upper  Cook   Inlet  and                                                                    
     sockeye numbers in the Susitna.  That conclusion was to                                                                    
     find a way to transfer  allocations from the commercial                                                                    
     sector to the  in-river users and that  they did. There                                                                    
     was little  regards for in-river  conservation measures                                                                    
     on how these  fish would be protected so  that we could                                                                    
     advance a production model that  would actually help us                                                                    
     start to recover these stocks.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     We believe  that the benefits of  this methodology will                                                                    
     be  marginal  without  meaningful  changes  in  how  we                                                                    
     regulate  in-river   fishing  methods.  There   was  no                                                                    
     serious consideration for how  we can protect prominent                                                                    
     spawning areas  or most of  the largest age  class fish                                                                    
     of our most valuable breeding component.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     The current  BOF process  is swayed  too easily  by the                                                                    
     most prominent and powerful groups  and often give into                                                                    
     political pressure, innuendo  and fabricated statements                                                                    
     rather than scientific information.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:28:29 PM                                                                                                                    
     It  is  time  to   consider  a  professional  Board  of                                                                    
     Fisheries. With  billions of dollars at  stake annually                                                                    
     involved in  this decision making body  we have evolved                                                                    
     past the time when a lay  board is adequate to meet the                                                                    
     demands  of   our  modern  day  fishery   issues.  With                                                                    
     everything  from foreign  enhancement and  competition,                                                                    
     high seas  mortality, global warming,  evolving habitat                                                                    
     issues,  population   increases  and   overall  growing                                                                    
     demand,  we  have  to  have a  panel  of  experts  from                                                                    
     various areas  of fisheries  expertise that  can better                                                                    
     understand  the volumes  of data  and research  that is                                                                    
     presented  for   evaluation  in  the   decision  making                                                                    
     process.  For  instance,  this last  2014  UCI  meeting                                                                    
     produced thousands of pages  of data, research reports,                                                                    
     proposals,   public   comment,   and   meeting   record                                                                    
     comments.  During  the   meeting  it  became  painfully                                                                    
     obvious  that the  board members  had not  had time  to                                                                    
     adequately  familiarize themselves  with  much of  this                                                                    
     information.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:29:41 PM                                                                                                                    
What can the legislative body do to help?                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     We  believe   there  are   two  important   things  the                                                                    
     legislature could do that would help:                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     1) Initiate  legislation to move toward  a professional                                                                    
     Board of  Fisheries. We envision  this body to  be made                                                                    
     up of  paid positions selected for  their scientific or                                                                    
     socio-economic  expertise  in  the  area  of  fisheries                                                                    
     management  and research.  We would  also suggest  that                                                                    
     they would  have a dedicated research  staff solely for                                                                    
     the  purpose  of  helping  them  coalesce  and  present                                                                    
     necessary   data   for   the  regulatory   area   under                                                                    
     consideration at the time.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Members  of  this  board  would   be  selected  by  the                                                                    
     governor and  confirmed by the legislature,  much as it                                                                    
     is now.  Members of  this board  would be  selected for                                                                    
     their knowledge  of fishery  issues without  regards to                                                                    
     any allocative or area representation.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     The   Board   meetings   would  still   invite   public                                                                    
     participation in  regulatory proposals  submissions and                                                                    
     public testimony.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     We're  not  sure  exactly what  for  this  body  should                                                                    
     actually  look  like  but these  are  our  suggestions.                                                                    
     There are  probably a variety  of state  fishery boards                                                                    
     out there that could provide workable solutions.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     2)  We believe  it is  imperative that  the legislature                                                                    
     support  a comprehensive  independent research  project                                                                    
     of our  UCI salmon  stocks and  habitat issues  as they                                                                    
     relate  to the  recovery  and  sustainability of  these                                                                    
     valuable  resources.   We  would   like  to   see  this                                                                    
     accomplished  along  the  same lines  as  the  recently                                                                    
     published,   "Arctic-Yukon-Kuskokwim   Chinook   Salmon                                                                    
     Research Action Plan", which involved  some of the most                                                                    
     respected  fishery  scientists   in  the  nation.  This                                                                    
     document   laid  out   various   hypotheses  for   what                                                                    
     precipitated   the   declines,   issues   that   needed                                                                    
     attention  and  recommendations for  research  projects                                                                    
     that could be beneficial  in the recovery and long-term                                                                    
     sustainability of the stocks.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     The timing is perfect for  pursuing this type of effort                                                                    
     as  there appears  to  be some  funding  that might  be                                                                    
     available  through   the  direction  of   the  recently                                                                    
     approved  National  Marine   Fisheries  Service's  2012                                                                    
     salmon  fisheries disaster  relief program.  It appears                                                                    
     that the  State of Alaska  is going to  be instrumental                                                                    
     in deciding how this $20.8  million dollars is going to                                                                    
     be divided up and dispersed within Alaska.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:31:45 PM                                                                                                                    
     To recap our testimony, we  believe we need to put more                                                                    
     emphasis   on  in-river   King  salmon   production  by                                                                    
     installing  regulatory   sport  fishing   methods  that                                                                    
     protect our  largest age class breeding  stocks and set                                                                    
     aside  some protective  zones  recognized as  important                                                                    
     spawning and staging areas.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     We   need   to   acknowledge   and   mitigate   habitat                                                                    
     deficiencies  that could  cause undesirable  effects on                                                                    
     the   recovery  and   sustainability  of   our  fishery                                                                    
     resources.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     We need to  move forward on changing  to a professional                                                                    
     Board of Fisheries to meet  our modern day complexities                                                                    
     and future demands on our fishery resources.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     We need a complete  and thorough and independent review                                                                    
     of our UCI salmon  stocks, habitat issues and fisheries                                                                    
     management  practices.  That   concludes  my  testimony                                                                    
     today and I thank you very much.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:32:42 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  DYSON thanked  him for  his  balanced and  knowledgeable                                                               
presentation and asked him to talk  about the impact of beaver in                                                               
salmon rearing areas and possible solutions.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KRAMER answered  from talking  to biologists  he understands                                                               
that  a lot  of that  takes place  in difficult-to-access  areas.                                                               
They have  talked about taking  some helicopters in  and blasting                                                               
out some of  the beaver dams, which  seems to be the  only way to                                                               
get at  them, because they are  off the road system  for the most                                                               
part.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE  asked if  he had  any proposals  for protecting                                                               
regions of the river into the  BOF and what would be the benefits                                                               
of identifying  key spawning  areas of  the river  and protecting                                                               
them.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. KRAMER  said they  proposed putting  two spawning  areas into                                                               
protected areas  to the BOF: the  first is above the  Moose River                                                               
after July 1  to help the early run, because  it moves up earlier                                                               
than  any other  segment of  the  king salmon  population and  is                                                               
vulnerable  to harvest  longer, because  the season  goes through                                                               
July 31. The  second closure would take place after  July 15 from                                                               
the Soldotna Bridge to the  Moose River, which would protect both                                                               
early run  and late  run fish. Protecting  those two  areas would                                                               
allow harvest  by people at some  point who live along  the river                                                               
in the  season, but  then as  the fish moved  up closer  to their                                                               
spawning  areas  and spawning  times,  it  would give  them  some                                                               
protection.  That  protection  would  allow  the  state  to  have                                                               
prudent spawning and production capabilities for the long term.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MICCICHE  said  they would  have  to  continue  pressure                                                               
especially  after recovery  and he  hoped Mr.  Kramer would  stay                                                               
engaged in protecting areas around key spawning grounds.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GIESSEL asked  his thoughts on the survival of  salmon in a                                                               
catch and  release scenario.  Do the  released salmon  survive to                                                               
spawn?                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. KRAMER  replied in  the studies  that have  been done  on the                                                               
Kenai, it  looks like  only about  7 percent  have issues  on the                                                               
first hook  up and  that doubles  on the second  hook up  and the                                                               
ones  thereafter. What  seems to  be  unknown is  the impacts  of                                                               
their  spawning  capabilities  after  they  have  been  taxed  on                                                               
multiple hook  ups in a catch  and release fishery of  that kind.                                                               
He thought some meaningful studies  would be done in that regard.                                                               
It's a  problem throughout the  Pacific Northwest where  they are                                                               
trying to recover their stocks.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE  asked if anyone  had entertained  spawning area                                                               
restrictions that  are based on  the size  of the return.  He was                                                               
looking  for  folks  not  being  so  hesitant  to  have  spawning                                                               
preserves if  it could be temporary  and if they knew  they could                                                               
be eliminated when the returns recover.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KRAMER said  he  hadn't  heard of  that,  but  it should  be                                                               
pursued.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:38:22 PM                                                                                                                    
ROD  ARNO,  Executive  Director, Alaska  Outdoor  Council  (AOC),                                                               
Palmer,   Alaska,  said   they  are   a  statewide   conservation                                                               
organization with 10,000  members. He went to slide 2  of his AOC                                                               
presentation,  the pie  chart of  resources harvested  by use  in                                                               
Alaska in  2012 put  together by  Dr. Jim Hall  of ADF&G  (on the                                                               
state website). He said they  represent thousands of Alaskans who                                                               
aren't getting their fair share of the pie.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. ARNO  said the personal use  fishery is about one-tenth  of 1                                                               
percent of  the public fisheries resource  harvested annually. Of                                                               
the  98.2 percent  commercial fishermen  many are  non-residents.                                                               
Only Alaskans can participate in the personal use fisheries.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
He said  more and  more people are  moving into  Anchorage, Matsu                                                               
and  the Kenai  population  centers  who want  their  share of  a                                                               
public resource.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:40:59 PM                                                                                                                    
He said  the mission of  the Division of Commercial  Fisheries is                                                               
to manage  subsistence, commercial and personal  use fisheries in                                                               
the  interests  of  the  general well-being  of  the  people  and                                                               
economy of the state consistent  with sustained yield and subject                                                               
to allocation during the public  regulatory process. The emphasis                                                               
is on  having the  same people  managing commercial  and personal                                                               
use  whether  it's in  a  subsistence  area  or  not. This  is  a                                                               
problem, Mr. Arno  said: the entire commercial  fishery complex -                                                               
fishermen, buyers,  processors, marketers, regulators -  versus a                                                               
relative  handful of  Alaskans  who  want to  put  fish in  their                                                               
freezer.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:42:13 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  ARNO  said  the  Alaska   Constitution  clearly  places  the                                                               
responsibility  of   managing  the   fisheries  with   the  state                                                               
legislature,  which   has  in  turn  delegated   that  management                                                               
authority to the Department of  Fish and Game, who then delegated                                                               
that authority to  the Board of Fisheries and the  Board of Game.                                                               
The department  is clearly  a part of  the executive  branch, but                                                               
the BOF is  an extension of the legislature. This  is supposed to                                                               
be  the people's  board,  so  they wouldn't  have  a conflict  in                                                               
selecting and then confirming a member.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
He plead  with them  to be  more engaged  in this  process saying                                                               
that  last year  two nominees  for  the Board  of Fisheries  were                                                               
asked seven questions by the  Senate Resources Committee. In 2012                                                               
there were  two nominees and  the Resources Committee  asked only                                                               
one  question. This  is a  job interview  and they  wouldn't hire                                                               
someone for their staff without  asking questions! He said please                                                               
don't put  someone on  this very  important board  without having                                                               
some understanding  of whether  or not they  think it's  okay for                                                               
their constituents to  get one-tenth of 1 percent of  the fish in                                                               
a public resource for their personal use.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Slide 6  showed how  the BOF allocates  their workload  through a                                                               
committee  system  much  like  the legislature.  A  total  of  25                                                               
proposals were  submitted on personal  use fisheries  compared to                                                               
other committees that had far  fewer proposals. He wanted them to                                                               
see that the  public is engaged in the issue  of personal use and                                                               
other fisheries in  Upper Cook Inlet and they are  trying to make                                                               
progress  through the  board system.  So,  when they  see him  in                                                               
front  of  them they  know  the  board  system has  not  resolved                                                               
allocation issues  as user  groups in  Cook Inlet  fluctuate. The                                                               
evidence is in the first pie  chart he showed them where they get                                                               
a small sliver of the pie.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:45:11 PM                                                                                                                    
Slide  7 was  a graph  of the  local food  activity by  region in                                                               
Alaska  in 2011  (from  the Behavioral  Risk Factor  Surveillance                                                               
System,  used by  the Department  of Health  and Social  Services                                                               
(DHSS) to  track social trends).  About 25 Alaskans were  in that                                                               
survey. It  is a good illustration  of the demand for  wild food.                                                               
Well  over half  of the  people surveyed  in the  urban areas  of                                                               
Anchorage and Matsu stated that  they harvested wild food. And as                                                               
more  people relocate  from rural  Alaska to  the Railbelt  it is                                                               
reasonable to expect that the demand  for wild food in Cook Inlet                                                               
Basin will increase.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:46:18 PM                                                                                                                    
The legislature  says they support  wild food harvest.  Last year                                                               
they passed  HCR 1  that requested  the governor  to form  a Food                                                               
Policy Development Working Group, which  he did, to work with the                                                               
Alaska Food Policy  Council. He hoped the  legislature would look                                                               
at  their  progress  from  time  to time  to  ensure  that  those                                                               
Alaskans  who want  to  harvest  their own  wild  salmon will  be                                                               
represented in that process.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Slide 8 had  a map that shows rivers with  the stocks of concern.                                                               
It's important to know that 7 of  the 11 stocks of concern are in                                                               
Cook Inlet  in the  northern district. It  shows that  during the                                                               
last  two board  cycles  (the Board  considers  Upper Cook  Inlet                                                               
issues  every three  years),  commercial  fishing interests  have                                                               
characterized this problem of weak  stocks as a result of habitat                                                               
degradation.  During public  testimony just  a few  weeks ago  in                                                               
Anchorage,  limited  entry  permit  holder  after  permit  holder                                                               
testified that  it was the  fault of the  people who live  in the                                                               
northern  district that  there are  no  fish. One  of the  things                                                               
often  pointed to  are the  culverts, which  they say  fish can't                                                               
pass through.  But the green box  in the lower middle  of the map                                                               
contains  the area  of the  Matsu where  there is  transportation                                                               
infrastructure  with 86  culvert  improvement projects  underway,                                                               
but there aren't any streams that  host stocks of concern in that                                                               
area. His point is that you don't have to worry about habitat.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:48:20 PM                                                                                                                    
Slide 9 was a Department  of Transportation and Public Facilities                                                               
(DOTPF)   transportation  analysis,   the  West   Susitna  Access                                                               
Reconnaissance   Study   for   resource  development.   He   said                                                               
development is  coming to  the Susitna  drainage and  AOC doesn't                                                               
oppose that. The  good news is that it's probably  far enough off                                                               
that the  fish habitat can  be protected.  The Study is  a "must-                                                               
read"  for  anyone who  cares  about  the  fish in  the  northern                                                               
district,  as well  as  all  of Cook  Inlet.  The study  presents                                                               
several options  for transportation  corridors over  and parallel                                                               
to major salmon streams and water ways.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Slide 10  is DNR's Susitna  Matsu Area  Plan that was  adopted in                                                               
2011.  Many  different   colors  represented  different  resource                                                               
classifications of  state and public  domain. It showed  that the                                                               
major salmon producing waters flowing right through the multi-                                                                  
color  quilt. He  said the  fish need  someone to  watch all  the                                                               
"kids in  the sandbox called  the Susitna drainage" to  make sure                                                               
that this precious  resources is not affected  by the development                                                               
of other resources or urban sprawl.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:50:08 PM                                                                                                                    
In  conclusion, Mr.  Arno said  first, Alaskans  want to  harvest                                                               
wild, local,  organic, healthy  Upper Cook  Inlet salmon;  it's a                                                               
public resource.  Second, there  is an  imbalance in  that system                                                               
currently, and as more people  move into the Cook Inlet drainage,                                                               
it's only  going to get  more competitive (an  allocation issue).                                                               
Third, they are  asking for the legislature to  help. Finally, he                                                               
said he  had been in the  process of advocating for  Alaskans who                                                               
want to  harvest their own Cook  Inlet salmon for many  years and                                                               
he couldn't remember a Resource  Chair who dedicated the time and                                                               
focus Senator  Giessel had  to Cook Inlet  salmon and  he thanked                                                               
her for setting the week aside to hear from users and managers.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:51:31 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DYSON asked if 98.2 percent  of the fish harvest on slide                                                               
2  included  big  commercial  fisheries in  the  Bering  Sea  and                                                               
Bristol Bay.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ARNO answered  yes;  it indicated  the  statewide wild  food                                                               
harvest taken annually not only of fish, but game, too.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  DYSON added  that Dutch  Harbor/Unalaska is  the largest                                                               
fish landing  port in North  America, and realizing that  that is                                                               
happening where there  is no personal use  sport fishing distorts                                                               
the picture a little bit, but it is profoundly true.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:52:25 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MICCICHE  said he  is  also  a  member  of the  AOC  and                                                               
supported most of its objectives, but  he wanted to chat with Mr.                                                               
Arno  about  what  an  appropriate  share  is  "for  filling  the                                                               
freezer."                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:53:41 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  ARNO  responded  that  this  is an  evolving  issue  as  the                                                               
population  in  Alaska  increases  and  folks  migrate  to  urban                                                               
centers from  rural Alaska. "Cook Inlet  is right at the  edge of                                                               
the testing of the board's process  in fisheries as well as game,                                                               
just   because  of   the  increasing   population."  Of   course,                                                               
conservation is first with AOC.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:54:48 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL  said last week  this committee passed a  bill that                                                               
establishes  a Susitna  State Forest  and one  of its  provisions                                                               
allows timber harvest, but it  also preserves those borders along                                                               
salmon-bearing  water  bodies. She  asked  where  the AOC  stands                                                               
relative to the establishment of state forests.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ARNO answered  that SB  23 would  only select  about 700,000                                                               
acres  of high  value timber,  and that's  been a  "real bone  of                                                               
contention" for the  AOC. He advocated for a  larger state forest                                                               
that would include high-quality  habitat protecting the drainages                                                               
in the northern  district, as the state has millions  of acres of                                                               
unencumbered  land that  won't be  protected by  provisions of  a                                                               
state forest.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:56:46 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL asked his thoughts on a professional BOF.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. ARNO  responded that  the AOC is  satisfied with  the current                                                               
public board  and that  the process works.  It works  because the                                                               
public  is involved  and has  different  avenues to  participate:                                                               
they can petition  and ask the administration  to appoint certain                                                               
people and they can go to  the legislature and ask for support to                                                               
get those individuals  confirmed or not. They can also  go to the                                                               
Board  of Fisheries  and  put in  their  proposals. However,  the                                                               
process only works as well as  the public is willing to engage in                                                               
it.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:58:28 PM                                                                                                                    
MEGAN  SMITH,  member,  Kenai Peninsula  Fishermen's  Association                                                               
(KPFA), introduced herself and Amber Every.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
5:00:01 PM                                                                                                                    
AMBER  EVERY, member,  Kenai  Peninsula Fishermen's  Association,                                                               
said  their 300-plus  members are  primarily setnetters  but also                                                               
include drifters and seiners who fish  in Cook Inlet, and on some                                                               
fishing  sites  some  four generations  of  families  participate                                                               
together.  They represent  an industry  where 84  percent of  the                                                               
participants are Alaska residents and  56 percent of those reside                                                               
on the Kenai Peninsula year-round;  the primary species harvested                                                               
in Cook Inlet by an overwhelming margin is sockeye.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. EVERY said she had been  an Upper Cook Inlet fisherman for 20                                                               
years  and   was  proud  to  be   raising  two  fourth-generation                                                               
setnetters.  She said  this presentation  would  explain who  the                                                               
Upper Cook  Inlet setnetters are  and their role in  the fishery.                                                               
They will  then look at the  importance of sockeye in  Upper Cook                                                               
Inlet. Next they will analyze the  impact of personal use and in-                                                               
river  sport fisheries  and  the Kenai  River  late run  Chinook;                                                               
lastly,  they  will  look  at  what  they  would  like  from  the                                                               
legislature.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
She said setnetters  are families and they are proud  to have fed                                                               
the world  a natural and  healthy protein that it  is sustainable                                                               
for  over  100 years.  They  are  stewards  of the  resource  and                                                               
because of  purposeful planning by ADF&G  future generations will                                                               
continue to feed the world this amazing protein.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Setnet fishing  methods in  Cook Inlet  have changed  very little                                                               
over the  past 135 years and  their goal is to  continue to fight                                                               
for their families and small  businesses. Beyond the cultural and                                                               
historical part of their fishery,  they play an important role in                                                               
the local  economy. The  estimated overall  economic contribution                                                               
to the Cook  Inlet region from harvesters and  processors of Cook                                                               
Inlet salmon  approaches $350 million  per year. Sockeye  are the                                                               
predominant species  harvested in Cook  Inlet. From 1980  to 2011                                                               
sockeye account for 88 percent of  the more than $2 billion total                                                               
in revenues in 2012 dollars. In  2010 and 2011, Cook Inlet ranked                                                               
fourth among Alaska major salmon fisheries.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
The sockeye  salmon is the heart  of Upper Cook Inlet,  Ms. Every                                                               
said, and Alaskan  families depend on a healthy  annual return to                                                               
feed  their families.  Their local  economy runs  off the  summer                                                               
activity  related  to  the  sockeye   run,  as  each  summer  the                                                               
population  swells  with   anglers,  dipnetters,  and  commercial                                                               
fishermen who come  to harvest it - all the  while spending money                                                               
in the local economy.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. EVERY  said that 84 percent  of east side setnet  permits are                                                               
owned by Alaska residents who  support businesses, pay taxes, and                                                               
look after the best interests of the local community.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
5:03:00 PM                                                                                                                    
She showed  a graph of  the 10-year  average of over  1.2 million                                                               
sockeye spawners for  escapement and said the  reason this should                                                               
be of  concern is that  spawning escapements of 1.2  million will                                                               
have  future  yields  of  2   million;  spawning  escapements  of                                                               
600,000-900,000 sockeye provides a 4  million return. A 2 million                                                               
return  means 1  million  goes to  escapement.  Personal use  and                                                               
sport fishing harvest is nearing 1 million.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
What is left  for the commercial industry? The  numbers show that                                                               
the commercial fishermen are being  allocated out of the fishery.                                                               
Another river in Upper Cook  Inlet with a vibrant healthy sockeye                                                               
run  is the  Kasilof River  with an  11-year average  of 364,790,                                                               
which  exceeds the  maximum BEG  range of  160,000-340,000, which                                                               
again reduces future sockeye yields.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
5:03:55 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. SMITH took  up the presentation and continued  that the Kenai                                                               
in-river sockeye  fishery has  grown exponentially.  The in-river                                                               
harvest is  at its highest point  and has yet to  harvest what is                                                               
allocated  by  the  Board  of   Fisheries.  With  increased  user                                                               
participation, there is increased  pressure in riparian habitats.                                                               
The  sockeye   fishery  is  primarily  a   bank  fishery  putting                                                               
fishermen  right   on  critical  Chinook  spawning   and  rearing                                                               
habitats.  She said  the  City  of Kenai  covered  the PU  dipnet                                                               
fishery  pretty  well  and  showed   a  picture  of  the  largest                                                               
unlimited dipnet fishery in the state.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
5:05:14 PM                                                                                                                    
She showed  a graph of  Kenai river sockeye timing  and explained                                                               
that 2013 was  the first year that  the sockeye did not  hit on a                                                               
weekend,  which limited  the harvest  of non-local  participants.                                                               
The "large  pulse" entered  the river after  a regular  east side                                                               
setnet  opening  on Monday.  The  next  three charts  illustrated                                                               
2010/11/12 showing  that the  peaks and  secondary peaks  fell on                                                               
the weekends.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. SMITH said  in 2013 the ADF&G converted  the late-run Chinook                                                               
goal, which  was simply  an adjustment for  the new  Didson sonar                                                               
counter. In  fact, the recommended  goal provides a  small safety                                                               
factor of 3,000 Chinook.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
The  next   graph  showed  the   Kenai  River   late-run  Chinook                                                               
escapement   levels.  The   red  lines   represented  the   goals                                                               
recommended by  ADF&G. In 2003-2006,  the escapement  levels were                                                               
greatly  exceeded,  one  of  the   factors  that  contributed  to                                                               
density-dependency to recent declines in  late-run Chinook.  It's                                                               
important to see  that the Kenai River late-run  Chinook have met                                                               
their  escapement goals  for  the  past 27  years  and they  have                                                               
exceeded the  upper goal  for 19  of those  years. She  said many                                                               
people use  the last 10 years  when the drop is  significant, but                                                               
she liked to look at the whole run.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
5:06:31 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  SMITH said  the average  annual  harvest rate  on the  Kenai                                                               
River   late-run  Chinook   is  39   percent.  The   other  users                                                               
represented in the slide include  subsistence, personal use (PU),                                                               
drift, and sport fisheries. The  majority of the harvest is taken                                                               
by the sport  fishery and even if the setnets  were closed for an                                                               
entire season,  only an  additional 13 percent  of the  total run                                                               
would enter the river. There  are times when escapement goals for                                                               
both Chinook and  sockeye runs cannot be met, and  that's why the                                                               
trade-off  discussion is  needed.  Which stock  do more  Alaskans                                                               
benefit from?                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
5:07:09 PM                                                                                                                    
UCI setnetters want legislative support  for the 735 small family                                                               
businesses.  They  would like  to  see  funding for  research  in                                                               
spawning and rearing areas and  juvenile outmigration studies for                                                               
Chinook.  They would  like pro-active  multi-agency action  plans                                                               
for the Upper Cook Inlet Chinook  stocks and a closer look at the                                                               
Board  of  Fisheries process  to  remove  conflict and  political                                                               
pressure  and restoration  of science-based,  biological decision                                                               
making.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
She said some  associations are trying to  circumvent the process                                                               
and  outlaw  setnetting  in  Cook  Inlet,  but  what  would  that                                                               
produce?  Of the  two Chinook  stocks  that return  to the  Kenai                                                               
River,  only 13  percent more  late-run Kings  would return.  She                                                               
also pointed  out that  40 percent  of the  13 percent  are "jack                                                               
kings." Removing  them from  the equation  would leave  7 percent                                                               
and  there would  be  no benefit  to the  early  run Chinook,  as                                                               
setnetters have  not fished  on that stock  for decades,  and 736                                                               
permit  holders and  crewmembers, would  be out  of work;  615 of                                                               
those  businesses are  owned  by Alaska  residents.  The loss  of                                                               
businesses would backlash into local communities.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SMITH  said   that  setnetting  is  an   important  tool  in                                                               
maintaining   sustainable  sockeye   salmon  goals.   Eliminating                                                               
setnetters  would   limit  economic  diversification   and  cause                                                               
community conflict  rather than community cooperation,  and would                                                               
the gain be worth the loss?                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
5:08:59 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  SMITH said  they need  the legislature's  help to  guarantee                                                               
Chinook will survive for future  generations. Quality research is                                                               
needed to identify  key areas in Chinook  development. The early-                                                               
run Kenai  Chinook run has failed  to meet its goal  for the past                                                               
two  years; Beaver  Creek  and  Sly Hawk  Creek  in Soldotna  are                                                               
examples  of tributaries  that should  be  producing hundreds  of                                                               
fish.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
The identification of high-density  spawning and rearing areas in                                                               
the Kenai  River drainage  is critical in  breaking the  cycle of                                                               
low abundance,  she said. Juvenile out-migration  studies provide                                                               
a last look at  the stock going into the sea,  which gives a more                                                               
accurate picture for forecasting the stocks that return.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
5:09:47 PM                                                                                                                    
She said it's  time to build community  cooperation not community                                                               
conflict.    The   Arctic-Yukon-Kuskokwim    Sustainable   Salmon                                                               
Initiative (AYKSSI) is  a first comprehensive look  at the causes                                                               
leading to the decline of king  salmon stocks in the AYK area and                                                               
it  is a  great example  of how  to proceed  in Cook  Inlet. This                                                               
panel  is  comprised  of 13  fisheries  scientists  with  diverse                                                               
expertise; part of AYKSSI is  the action plan component. Its goal                                                               
is to  determine which  variables and  processes most  likely are                                                               
causative  factors  in the  AYK  Chinook  salmon decline  and  to                                                               
produce more  detailed set of  research priorities  and questions                                                               
to better understand  the key drivers of salmon  abundance in the                                                               
region. It's  time for Cook  Inlet to have  a solid plan  to find                                                               
answers for survival of its Chinook.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
5:10:39 PM                                                                                                                    
She said after  attending the 2014 Upper Cook  Inlet meeting, she                                                               
was left with  a lot of questions and a  little less faith. There                                                               
are  7  BOF  members  who  are  making  biological,  social,  and                                                               
economic decisions  in a billion-dollar  fishing industry.   Many                                                               
of the implications of their decisions  are not known at the time                                                               
and may  not be  realized until  implementation. The  members are                                                               
required to  read and retain overwhelming  amounts of information                                                               
in an extremely limited timeframe.  Initially, all the public and                                                               
department   proposals  are   vetted  through   the  public   and                                                               
department  comment  process and  there  is  ample time  for  all                                                               
groups  to weigh  in on  potential  ramifications. But  mid-board                                                               
meeting proposals  may be generated  and voted on with  little or                                                               
no  public,  scientific  or   biological  input.  Unintended  and                                                               
unforeseen consequences result from such a harried process.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ADF&G initially  weighs in  on proposals,  but as  plans develop,                                                               
they are  relied on less and  less. The Upper Cook  Inlet meeting                                                               
has not been held on the  Kenai Peninsula since 1999, and this is                                                               
really  important. The  cost  and time  required  for a  two-week                                                               
meeting prohibits  many private citizens from  participating. The                                                               
tone  of this  meeting is  that of  conflict and  politics, which                                                               
fosters  public  mistrust  in  the  process  and  previous  board                                                               
precedent are  the only  rules that the  board adheres  to, which                                                               
leads to  confusion and  lack of consistency.  She said  they are                                                               
concerned  about the  BOF  process  and hope  that  trust can  be                                                               
reestablished.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
5:12:40 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE  said recently the  King Salmon Task  Force said                                                               
the setnetters  seemed unwilling  to adjust  to looking  at other                                                               
methods of catch  in times of low abundance. He  agreed with them                                                               
on  the   initiative  saying  it's  absolutely   an  unacceptable                                                               
approach  to shut  down hundreds  of  independent small  business                                                               
owners. But  they must  work together to  ensure the  survival of                                                               
all the  different user  groups, and  he wanted  to know  if they                                                               
were open to exploring other  methods of catching until there are                                                               
adequate supplies of king salmon.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. SMITH responded that setnetters  are exploring other options,                                                               
but they  want an answer  based on  science. Some have  cut their                                                               
nets in half just  to see what that will do,  but they find there                                                               
is "no magic bullet" and that is what people are looking for.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  GIESSEL  said she  appreciated  the  efforts made  by  the                                                               
setnetters and that she had seen  a model of a proposed method of                                                               
capturing  by-caught king  salmon and  not handling  them so  the                                                               
survival rate is much higher.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
She said she  was going to ask her some  basic questions, because                                                               
some people  are not  real familiar with  the setnet  issues. She                                                               
asked  the significance  of her  chart indicating  that the  peak                                                               
occurred after the weekend and asked of that.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. SMITH answered that chart was  created by ADF&G as a response                                                               
to the idea that commercial fishermen  are taking all the fish on                                                               
the  weekends. This  illustrated that  the  peak of  the run  hit                                                               
immediately after the commercial  fishing period. In the previous                                                               
three years, the  peak and secondary peak hit on  the weekend, so                                                               
everyone could  get their fish.  Not peaking on a  weekend limits                                                               
participation for people who don't live locally.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  GIESSEL  asked  what  days  has  the  BOF  limited  setnet                                                               
fishing.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SMITH  answered that  there  is  a mandatory  closure  right                                                               
before the  weekend every  week to  allow fish  passage. Recently                                                               
this "window" could happen on Tuesday or Wednesday.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GIESSEL asked when they can fish.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. SMITH answered that they  have regular periods on Mondays and                                                               
Thursdays,  but they  don't necessarily  get to  fish them.  They                                                               
have been closed  out for the past two years.  The department has                                                               
the  authority  to open  them  on  emergency  order if  they  are                                                               
worried about getting too many sockeye in the river.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
5:17:32 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DYSON asked how effective  the mesh size regulation is in                                                               
keeping setnetters from catching kings while fishing reds.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SMITH  answered  that  they  are  99  percent  efficient  at                                                               
harvesting sockeyes. Less  than 1 percent of their  catch is king                                                               
salmon.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DYSON  explained that the  department requires  a maximum                                                               
mesh size that is designed to exclude the big fish.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. SMITH  said that  was correct  and that  the regulation  is 6                                                               
inches, but they go smaller than that at 5 1/8 inches.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DYSON asked  if they pick can pick kings  out of the gear                                                               
without tearing them up.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SMITH  answered  yes.  Their  licenses  don't  differentiate                                                               
between salmon  species, but their  mesh is designed to  gill the                                                               
smaller fish.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
5:19:16 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  GIESSEL  asked  her  opinion  on changing  the  BOF  to  a                                                               
professional scientific-based board.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. SMITH  said it  is worth  looking at. They  feel there  is an                                                               
overwhelming  load  of  information  to  manage  along  with  the                                                               
different species of fish and scientific support is needed.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MICCICHE asked  the difference  between fishing  a flood                                                               
and an ebb, because  a lot of people blame their  lack of fish on                                                               
commercial fishermen.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. SMITH agreed and said a  lot of it depends on location, also.                                                               
Amber is  south of the mouth  of the river and  more efficient on                                                               
the ebb,  and she  fishes even  further south  of Calm  Gulch and                                                               
typically has  stronger hits on  the flood. They can  only access                                                               
their  nets at  slack tide.  Fish move  into the  river with  the                                                               
tides.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MICCICHE said  so, the  day  that 232,000  fish hit  the                                                               
river was  right after fish day  and if you fished  the flood, it                                                               
was amazing:  the entire sky above  the water and river  is alive                                                               
with jumpers.  But six hours later  the fishing is very  poor. He                                                               
said they  want people to be  successful when they come  down for                                                               
personal use.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  GIESSEL thanked  the participants  and said  the committee                                                               
would hear on  Friday from ADF&G about the studies  they had been                                                               
doing.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
5:23:00 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL  adjourned the Senate Resources  Standing Committee                                                               
meeting at 5:23 p.m.